The Try Guys Try Closed Captions

From left to right: Eugene Lee Yang, Keith Habersberger, and Zach Kornfeld, modeling their new squad tracksuit collection. Credit: The Try Guys

The Try Guys are an entertainment group of YouTube producers. As their name suggests, their philosophy is to try new things, no matter how much they may suck at doing them. They started at Buzzfeed in 2014 but left in 2018 to start their own production company, 2nd Try LLC. Originally they had four members, but today they are a trio: Keith Habersberger, Zach Kornfeld, and Eugene Lee Yang. Their videos and experiences have resonated with millions of people around the globe, inspiring them to try new things.

I started watching The Try Guys when I was a teenager. They were appealing because they weren’t afraid to touch on sensitive topics and call attention to double standards. I remember watching “The Try Guys Shave Their Legs For the First Time.” The guys were complaining throughout the video how hard it was to shave. Keith was doing awkward yoga to reach the hard spots on the back of the leg while Zach kept cutting himself. They finally finished a two hours later. While they all enjoyed having shaved legs, they didn’t like the itchiness when it grew back. As Zach said, “It’s like shaving 20 faces.”

Keith Habersberger featured in YouTube thumbnail for “Try Guys Shave Their Legs For the First Time.” Credit: The Try Guys

As a young woman, it validated my own frustrations with body image and trying to meet beauty standards. As I watched more videos, I was inspired by seeing them have fun and trying new things even if they were super bad at them.

While the majority of their content tends to be comedic, they also tackle more serious issues. For example, they created an educational DUI miniseries. Each episode tackles a different aspect of dangerous driving: driving drunk, driving high, driving while texting, and driving tired.

Eugene Lee Yang featured in YouTube Thumbnail for “The Try Guys Test Drunk Driving.” Credit: The Try Guys

It is eye-opening to see the same people driving on the same course under different influences. Each influence has a different impact on the driver and the way they drive. That is to say, one influence is not better than another. It’s all dangerous driving and the Try Guys do a good job at showcasing why it is dangerous to drive under influences.

In another educational miniseries, they took on ageism. First they tried old age makeovers to combat their fears regarding old age. Then they tried an old-age body simulator and wore it for a day. It provides a lot of insight into the stigmas about getting older and barriers that affect daily life.

Zach Kornfeld featured in YouTube Thumbnail for “The Try Guys Old Age Makeovers.” Credit: The Try Guys

As a teen, I would check obsessively for their next video. Sometimes multiple times a day. However, there was one problem. None of their videos had closed captions meaning I could only understand bits and pieces. One day, I was watching a new Try Guys video. I could not understand anything. I was scrolling through the comments to try to gather context clues or find quotes of what was said. Nearly every comment was about how funny the Try Guys were. The more I scrolled, the more depressed I became.

At this time, I happened to be taking my third ASL class. I was becoming comfortable with my disability and more confident in myself in general. A thought popped into my head: Why don’t I ask for them to add closed captions?

I quickly dismissed the thought. I had never in my life asked for accommodations. Accommodations typically needed to be thrust upon me because I was terrified of drawing attention to my disability. But the theme of the Try Guys is to try things you’ve never done before. The thought staid.

Another week passed and a new video was posted without closed captions. What would happen if I asked? I shook my head. I knew exactly what would happen. My request would be buried under hundreds of others, lost in the confines of the internet. Not to add, I would probably get a lot of mean comments. Still, there was a small voice in my head. Maybe the Try Guys would see the comment. Maybe they would care enough to implement it. After all, what do I have to lose?

I wrote a comment, thought better of it and deleted it, rewrote it, and deleted it again.

“Hey Try Guys!” I typed. “I have been a fan for a while. I love your videos, but I find them difficult to understand as I am deaf. Everyone talks about how funny you are. Would you consider adding closed captions to future videos so I can laugh along with everyone else?”

My cursor hovered over the post button. Once I clicked that button, there was no going back. The comment would be there forever and ever whether I liked it or not.

I clicked. 

The first comment came in minutes. “Are you serious? The world doesn’t revolve around you!” It was quickly followed by another. “Small businesses don’t have the means to deal with closed captions. It’s rude to even ask!”

I would have deleted my comment then and there but that was not an option on this platform. I knew in my head that it is okay to ask for accommodations but I felt ashamed. How much work goes into making closed captions possible? I had no idea. Maybe they’ll compromise, I told myself, maybe they’ll share one video with closed captions a month or something. There’s still hope.

I checked my post the following morning. I had a few new comments, all of them berated me for asking and made snide comments about my deafness. “I hate people like you who demand the world caters to you.”

Ding. Another new comment. I refreshed the page.

“I also need closed captions.”

That small line brought tears to my eyes. Being deaf is often a lonely experience. I have to remind myself that I am not the only deaf person in the world, but sometimes it’s hard not to believe it. It’s always heartwarming to hear about other people struggling with the same things I do.

Ding. “I’m hearing, but I always watch things with closed captions anyway.”

Ding. “Me too.”

Ding. “I have a friend who is deaf. I tried to share a Try Guys video with her, but she couldn’t understand it.”

Ding. “You guys don’t understand what a hardship this could be for the Try Guys!”

Ding. “Not deaf, but I use cc too.”

Ding. “Everybody! Like and comment on this so the Try Guys will see it and add closed captions!”

By the end of the first day, I had 20 comments. People were arguing over my request. By the end of the second day, I had nearly 60. On the third morning, the comments ticked over 70. Surprisingly, most of the comments were positive. People were sharing their own stories of needing and using closed captions. One person even thanked me for having the courage to ask. Even though my post was getting attention, it was steadily becoming buried under more popular ones. My hope was dimming. There was little chance The Try Guys would see my request.

Should I try again? I could keep trying on every video until my request was seen. I thought about all the negative comments I had received. I wasn’t sure if I could go through it again.

At the end of the day, I checked my notifications. Only five new comments. I read through them and screamed when I reached the last one.

The Try Guys: “Hi Rachel! Closed captions are a great idea! We’ll discuss that at our next meeting.”

I couldn’t believe it! The Try Guys had seen my request! Three days ago I didn’t believe I could have made a difference. My mind was racing. Could this happen? Are the Try Guys going to add closed captions? I felt invincible.

A week and a half later, the Try Guys released a new video. I held my breath and clicked play. Closed captions appeared at the bottom. Victory! Finally, I could laugh with everyone else.

I am happy to say that every Try Guys video since that day has been released with closed captions. Over the next several months, I noticed they were experimenting with their closed captions. True to their name, they kept trying new things. My personal favorite was the color-coded closed captions, which were used shortly after they left Buzzfeed. Blue captions meant Keith was talking, green captions were Zach, purple was Eugene, and so forth. However, the color-coded captions were short-lived. In hindsight, color-coded captions are not the most accessible for people who have color blindness or other vision issues.

For a time the Try Guys used YouTube’s automatic closed captions. While YouTube automatic captions are certainly better than they used to be, they still leave a lot to be desired. They are only about 60-70% accurate at the best of times (1). For example, whenever something funny happens (or Keith becomes comedically upset), the captions stop working because there is too much noise to decipher anything that is being said. Another downside to YouTube’s captions is that they take time to generate, meaning it can take a full day to a couple of weeks for captions to become available.

These days the Try Guys have standardized their use of closed captions; two lines of white text in a sheer black box in Arial font. This is the industry standard format.

These days I do not watch the Try Guys as much as I used to, partly because they release so much content and I’ve matured out of their targeted age group. With that being said, I still enjoy watching many of their videos. Currently, my favorite series is “Without a Recipe.” As the title suggests, the Try Guys hit the kitchen and make an item without a recipe. None of them are professional cooks, so hilarity ensues. Each episode cuts between experts talking about how to make the item and at least one of Try Guys unintentionally doing the exact opposite. It’s a cross between “The Great British Baking Show” and Netflix’s “Nailed It.” Some examples of things they’ve made without a recipe are pies, bagels, brownies, and many more. 

Zach Kornfeld, Keith Habersberger, and Eugene Lee Yang featured in a YouTube Thumbnail for “The Try Guys Cook Bagels Without A Recipe.” Credit: The Try Guys

Never be afraid to try something new, even if it scares you. I tried asking for accommodations on a social media platform. I was terrified to do it, but my request ended up influencing a company that currently has 8.04 million subscribers and over 2 billion views (2) at the time of publishing this article.

So if ever in doubt, just try.

References

  1. University of Minnesota Duluth. “Correcting YouTube Auto-Captions.” Information Technology Systems and Services, University of Minnesota Duluth, 2022, https://itss.d.umn.edu/centers-locations/media-hub/media-accessibility-services/captioning-and-captioning-services/correct#:~:text=YouTube%20automatic%20captions%20typically%20provide,%2C%20or%20multi%2Dsyllable%20words.
  2. SPEAKRJ. “The Try Guys YouTube Subscriber Statistics.” SPEAKRJ, https://www.speakrj.com/audit/report/UCpi8TJfiA4lKGkaXs__YdBA/youtube/live#content.

Disability History, Part 4: NAD v. Netflix

A lawsuit that shook the internet

Good morning Listen Up readers! Today I am excited to talk about a civil rights lawsuit that helped to make the internet more accessible to people with disabilities. This lawsuit in particular has impacted my life in a big way and it’s cool that I got to witness it happen in my lifetime.

To briefly review, the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) was signed in 1990 and established civil rights for disabled people in American. Well, what happened right after that? The explosion of technology and the widespread use of the internet. Because it was drafted before this, the ADA didn’t have guidelines for accessibility in the digital world. This meant that many powerhouses, such as Netflix, were not being made accessible.

Movies have consistently been a huge part of my life. My Mom, in particular, has always loved movies. When my brothers and I were toddlers, my parents would rock us to sleep while watching episodes of Star Trek. As we got older, we would watch movies like Star Wars, What’s Up Doc, Titanic, and The Matrix. Every weekend my family would settle down on the couch, eat cardboard pizza (our nickname for frozen pizza), and watch movies. On Sundays we would watch AFV and Extreme Home Makeover. In those days, there was no streaming entertainment. Even YouTube wasn’t invented yet. If we wanted to watch a new movie, we would either have to buy it in a store (ordering things online was uncommon), see it in theaters, or rent it from a local video store. I still remember wandering through the racks at 3D Video, our local video store. It was a lot like going to a used bookstore, but with VHS tapes lining the shelves instead of books.

When Netflix began, it was the world’s first online DVD rental store. It started in 1997, four months after the invention of the DVD. Since Netflix offered more choices to its consumers, an ever-expanding library, and provided videos in newer technological format, it quickly became popular. We could rent up to two movies at once which would be delivered by mail. Mom always picked the first movie, then the second one would be picked by someone else. There were some spectacular fights over who got to pick the next movie.

In 2007, Netflix introduced a streaming service, which allowed subscribers to watch movies on anything with an internet connection. Waiting for movies to come in the mail was a thing of the past! My family was on board with it from the start. But I noticed there was a problem with Netflix’s streaming service.

Nothing was closed captioned.

As a deaf person, I have to have closed captions. I can’t understand any movie or video otherwise. As a child, I generally spent more time with my nose in a book than staring at a screen, simply because it was hard to understand what was being said. I remember one particular day, I had just come home from school and I laid down on my parent’s bed to flip through channels for something interesting to watch. I stumbled upon a game show where the contestants were dressed in oversized diapers and baby bonnets. Then they had to run through a playroom-themed obstacle course. I watched for almost ten minutes, trying to understand what was being said before I realized they were speaking Spanish.

One of the difficult things about growing up with a disability is isolation. I was never around other deaf people. I never learned how to handle different situations because I’m deaf. I had no deaf people to learn from. No one taught me how to advocate for myself—or when I needed to advocate for my needs. I like to sum it up as “No one taught me how to be deaf.” This isolation means that I grew up not knowing what kind of technology is available to me to use. As an adult, I still don’t know what kind of accessibility options are out there are for me. Every day I’m still learning how to be a deaf person in a hearing world.

As it was, I didn’t know closed captions were a thing until I was about twelve or thirteen years old. When I did discover them, it was by accident! I remember being bored while watching TV (as it was difficult for me to understand the characters talking) and started playing around with the TV remote, pressing random buttons to see what they would do. One of the buttons turned on the closed captions. I was stunned at the white words scrolling across black banners on the screen. I thought it was weird and changed the channel. The words changed too. That’s when it hit me that the words being displayed were what was being said. I could understand everything. I had big fat, tears of joy rolling down my face that day as finished I watching an episode of The Brady Bunch.

After that, I turned the closed captions on everything. Because of the ADA, movies made after 1990 had to have closed captions available. I learned how to turn closed captions on DVDs and how to use the TV captions for VHS. I insisted on the captions being turned on whenever my family watched movies. Later I learned the difference between English subtitles versus subtitles for the deaf and hard-of-hearing (the latter includes sound in addition to speech). Closed captions opened up my world. What’s more, that was the first time in my life that I started advocating for myself and my needs as a deaf person. Which is a vital life skill to have when you have a disability.

So when Netflix started streaming caption-less videos, it affected my life. My family would keep watching movies, but without captions, I was lost on the story. It is boring to watch a movie that you can’t understand. I often preferred to do my own thing rather than watch a caption-less movie. It was a lonely experience. Not that my family excluded me from the activity, rather they often begged me to join them—but I would be so bored and upset if I did, that I found I’d rather be lonely.

“Why aren’t there closed captions?” I would say. “It doesn’t feel fair. They really ought to have closed captions.”

It turns out I was not the only deaf person to say this. Netflix was sued several times by various deaf individuals who recognized Netflix was violating the civil rights of disabled people. But Netflix won each lawsuit.

In addition to not providing closed captions on their streaming service, Netflix decided to raise the price of their mail-only service while lowering the streaming service price. Since DVDs generally have closed captions, this further discriminated against the deaf and hard-of-hearing community. This price gap earned the nickname “the deaf tax.”

Word of this reached the National Association of the Deaf (NAD), a non-profit organization that seeks to promote and protect the civil, human, and linguistic rights of deaf and hard-of-hearing individuals in the United States. The NAD made several public statements and open letters to Netflix over the subject of closed captions. Now, at the time Netflix was working on closed captions, but progress was extraordinarily slow. In 2010, nearly 7,000 movies and TV shows were available to stream. Only 300 of these had closed captions. Clearly, captions were not a priority.

The NAD decided it was time to take things to the next level.

“While Netflix is making progress, which is great it is painfully slow. Further, Netflix does not provide a means for consumers to identify captioned Watch Instantly videos, except by trying to watch them. Looking for a captioned video on Netflix is literally like ‘looking for a needle in a haystack.’

. . . The NAD calls on Netflix, again, to caption all of the videos on its Watch Instantly services now. No exclusion, no discrimination, no special discounts, no exceptions. We do not want to pay more and get less. We want equal access” (1).

Rosaline Crawford (Director of Law and Advocacy for the NAD) in an open letter to Catherine Fisher (Director of Communications for Netflix) on December 17, 2010

In June 2011, the NAD filed a lawsuit against Netflix.

“We have tried for years to persuade Netflix to do the right thing and provide equal access to all content across all platforms. They chose not to serve our community on an equal basis; we must have equal access to the biggest provider of streamed entertainment. As Netflix itself acknowledges, streamed video is the future and we must not be left out” (2).

Bobbie Beth Scoggins, President of the NAD

Netflix had already won several lawsuits over this topic. Their defense was that the ADA was drafted to increase access to physical spaces. Since they were an online service, they had no obligation to make their business accessible. Unfortunately, it was a strong case. As I mentioned before, the ADA had nothing about accessibility for web services or virtual products simply because it was written before these things were invented.

The NAD acknowledge that the ADA was written before the digital age, but argued that it didn’t mean the internet is an exception to the ADA, but rather, lawmakers needed to redefine what a physical space meant in a digital world. People with all sorts of disabilities were being left behind and excluded, which is what the ADA was supposed to prevent.

One year later, on June 19, 2012, the judge ruled in favor of the NAD. Netflix was required to pay nearly $800,000 in legal fees. Their entire library was required to be closed captioned within two years and new content could not be uploaded unless it contained closed captions.

“In a society in which business is increasingly conducted online, excluding businesses that sell services through the internet from the ADA would run afoul of the purpose of the ADA. It would severely frustrate Congress’s intent that individuals with disabilities fully enjoy the goods, services, privileges, and advantages available indiscriminately to other members of the general public” (3).

Judge Ponsor, on ruling for NAD v. Netflix

The lawsuit made waves through the internet. Netflix was a multi-million-dollar business and the powerhouse of streaming entertainment. They were one of the biggest businesses at the time. When they lost the lawsuit, it sent a message to all the other digital giants who thought they were exempt from the ADA.

In the following years, these giants took steps to became more accessible. YouTube continues to work on improving its closed captions and encourages creators to add closed captions to their videos. Hulu, HBO Max, and Amazon Prime worked to add closed captions to all their content. Even Facebook took strides to be more inclusive. When Disney+ came out, everything they had to offer already had closed captions. Accessibility is being recognized as a fundamental need rather than an optional suggestion.

However, there are still a good number of companies that have yet to make themselves accessible. Today, while the ADA has website guidelines, there are no enforceable legal standards for web accessibility. In 2017, regulations were drafted to include digital accessibility in the ADA. Unfortunately, when it came to approving these regulations in 2020, Donald Trump chose to ignore them. As of today, these regulations have yet to be approved and enforced. Until they are, the civil rights of disabled people will always be questionable for web-based services and products.

As for me, I would have been in my last years of high school before Netflix became accessible to me and I could rejoin my family to watch movies. Now, I watch just as much Netflix as anybody else (which is to say, too much)! And every Friday night, you’ll find me sitting beside my family, watching the latest episode, and reading the closed captions.

Don’t forget to watch the Oscars tonight! Three disabled films have been nominated (a record)! For the first time in history, the Oscars stage will look different as it has been redesigned to be accessible to actors and directors with disabilities. The nominees include Sound of Metal (available only on Amazon Prime), Feeling Through (available for free through YouTube), and Crip Camp (available only on Netflix).

References

  1. Crawford, Rosaline. NAD Calls out Netflix on “Deaf Tax”. 17 Dec. 2010, http://www.nad.org/2010/12/17/nad-calls-out-netflix-on-deaf-tax/.
  2. “NAD v. Netflix.” Disability Rights Education & Defense Fund, 7 Mar. 2014, dredf.org/legal-advocacy/nad-v-netflix/.
  3. Leduc, Jaclyn. “NAD v. Netflix ADA Lawsuit Requires Captioning for Streaming Video.” 3Play Media, 26 Mar. 2021, http://www.3playmedia.com/blog/nad-v-netflix-ada-lawsuit-requires-closed-captioning-on-streaming-video/.